Cutting down trees

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Cutting down trees

Post by Jamie » Thu May 09, 2019 3:13 pm

Hi folks,

A friend has a plot of forest land with many trees on it. He doesn’t want the trees to be there because they are preventing him using the space for a cabin. I want to trees to chop and burn in my wood stove. So, perfect!!

Except, someone told me I need a licence to cut down a tree, even on privately owned land. Does anyone have any information about this, and if a licence is indeed required, how to go about getting one?

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by Zasso Nouka » Thu May 09, 2019 7:52 pm

I can't say 100% for sure but I doubt you need a license to cut trees down. Here in Chiba if you've got a chainsaw you can pretty much set to with it anywhere you like, unless of course you are working in some kind of special preservation area.

If your friend's land is ordinary sanrin (山林) then I'd say got right ahead and cut down what you like, no one is going to mind. What species of trees are we talking about here ? If it's sugi and hinoki then they probably aren't under any unusual preservation orders.

If you haven't already done a safety course on chainsaws use then please do watch the many Youtube videos available on chainsaw safety. I nearly squashed my father in law with a miss felled tree when I first started out and it was only his uncanny ability to sprint like his life depended on it that saved him from being crushed under a falling hinoki. Needless to say he tends to not come around anymore if he know's we are going to be felling trees.

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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by DocDoesFarming » Thu May 09, 2019 8:11 pm

Zasso Nouka wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 7:52 pm
If you haven't already done a safety course on chainsaws use then please do watch the many Youtube videos available on chainsaw safety.
I second this, I didn't bother looking at videos and just cut a tree down which in hindsight is pretty stupid. I just sort of winged it and guessed roughly what you needed to do for the cuts.
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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by Ibaraki llama » Fri May 10, 2019 8:27 am

Zasso Nouka wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 7:52 pm
If you haven't already done a safety course on chainsaws use then please do watch the many Youtube videos available on chainsaw safety.
YouTube is a godsend. I haven't (and won't) tackle any massive trees but I did watch youtube videos extensively for some of the smaller trees and palm that I've removed so far. We're having a professional come next week to remove some of the big ones that are too near the house. I also got some proper gloves and trousers (after I got a nasty wack in the leg with a flying bit of bamboo when using the clearing saw).

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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by Zasso Nouka » Fri May 10, 2019 12:28 pm

There are some pretty spectacular tree felling fail videos on Youtube as well as lots of chainsaw safety videos.
Zaimondos wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:27 am
I also got some proper gloves and trousers (after I got a nasty wack in the leg with a flying bit of bamboo when using the clearing saw).
This is a really critical point, proper safety equipment is a real life saver, good gloves, a proper helmet and kevlar chaps can literally save your life. Severe one of the arteries in your legs and you'll bleed out before the ambulance arrives.

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Also stick with genuine chainsaw parts, I had a cheap chain from ebay snap on it's second use whilst cutting up logs and if not wearing the kevlar chaps and safety jacket we have along with the chain catcher on our Stihl I probably wouldn't be posting now. I could actually feel the chain hitting my arm and dread to think what would have happened if I hadn't been wearing them.

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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by Ibaraki llama » Sat May 18, 2019 1:35 pm

I’ve cut some large palm trees down - now I’m wondering what to do with them. I’ve heard they burn too hot for a stove, so don’t make good firewood. I thought to just wait until September’s burning season and chop them and burn them in a drum, or just dump them in a corner and let them decompose over time. Any ideas?

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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by LeeB » Sun May 19, 2019 8:53 am

RE: Palm Trees

I live in the Melbourne area and for the life of me I have no idea why people plant the things here.

Some of the smaller types are okay, but people plant those cocos palms and they grow to huge sizes and heights. They make a huge mess and cost a fortune to cut down.

We had one in the yard when we bought the house and I should have taken it down right away when it was smaller. Fast forward and it got so big that we were worried about it falling down and either hitting our house or the neighbors sometime in the future.

So one day we had a door knocker come around who was cutting trees in the neighborhood and asked if we wanted anything cut. Yes, but how much? The first quote was ridiculous, but we bargained them down to half price, but they wouldn't take the trunk with them. That price as still ridiculous though.

So anyway the tree needed to come down and they at least cut the trunk into 'manageable' 1 meter or chunks. They did take the fronds with them and chop them up in their nifty grinder.

So over the next 18 months or so I chopped and sawed the stinking trunk into smaller pieces that would fit into the green bin here. Ruined quite a few chain saw chains doing it, but over that time period the trunk pieces never changed much at all. Some of the smaller pieces started to dry out, but the bigger ones were still damp inside.

They left a stump of about two feet tall which I also cut off to ground level.

With regard to the stump in the ground I took one of those drill bits used for cutting holes in doors - not the knob, but the part that goes into the jamb and drilled numerous holes into the stump. That ruined that bit and a couple of others too!!

Left that for years as well. Then I took the axe to the stump and cut that out of the ground once a bunch of it started to rot. That was a job to do as well. I took out as much as possible and reasonable. Filled in the hole.

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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by DocDoesFarming » Sun May 19, 2019 5:24 pm

Damn that sounds like so much effort.

What did the pros use to cut it down in the first place? I'm guessing just bigger chainsaws?
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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by gonbechan » Sun May 19, 2019 6:26 pm

I reckon you could make some good biochar if you dug a hole and burned them in there with some totan on the top.

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Re: Cutting down trees

Post by Ibaraki llama » Sun May 19, 2019 10:27 pm

LeeB wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 8:53 am
RE: Palm Trees

I live in the Melbourne area and for the life of me I have no idea why people plant the things here.

Some of the smaller types are okay, but people plant those cocos palms and they grow to huge sizes and heights. They make a huge mess and cost a fortune to cut down.

We had one in the yard when we bought the house and I should have taken it down right away when it was smaller. Fast forward and it got so big that we were worried about it falling down and either hitting our house or the neighbors sometime in the future.
I hate the palm trees. I'm trying to chop down as many as I can - only a couple of big ones thankfully. Made sure to do the smaller ones too before they grow any further.

Same here, no one will take them away - waste disposal won't accept palms apparently.

The two big ones I got a specialist to do and he chopped them up into smaller pieces for me so I've got a pile of them.

I'll take gonbechan's advice and try turning them into charcoal, and if that fails I'll try to incinerate them in September. (I had been burning stuff in drums but now paranoid after I was told that the max fine in this area for burning out of season is 3 million yen).